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O.K. Girls and Boys, here is the latest on the Immigration Ordinance (Undocumented Worker) in Payson, AZ.
I posted this as a reply on another thread but it didn't come trhough on the Forum, so started a new thread.
It passed 7-0 on its final reading Thursday 04/05/07. I think tthis is the first time that this City Council has ever voted unanimously on anything. They usually can't agree on the time of day.
If a business is found to have undocumented workers in it's employ, they have their business license revoked. They can get it back if they pay an "Administrative Fee." If caught a second time, they again will have only to pay an "Administrative Fee." If caught a third time, permanent revocation of Businiess License. The article did not state how much the "Administrative Fee" would be, but I would guess that it won't be cheap. Beaureacrats are more expensive to pay for than Doctors, Lawyers.
The fall out has been that there are now a lot of "help wanted" ads in the paper and a heck of a lot more Mobile Homes for rent or for sale. Hmmmm.
So, what the Feds will not or cannot enforce already existing laws the small towns and cities are finding out that they can do it themselves, but be careful in the wording. This Ordinance was re-written several times to avoid "problems" as the City Attorney stated, based upon lawsuits filed against other small towns and cities who have passed "Anti-Immigration" ordinances.
This Ordinance is antiseptically clean and doesn't use the politically incorrect words of "Migrant" or "illegal immigrant" or any other similar terms.
Just "undocumented worker." Very slick and clean. Does not provide for penalties against "undocumented workers." It penalizes the employers. If they want to stay in town and do business here, they have to have a business license.
Sorry McDonalds, Wendy's, Burger King, Taco Bell, Motel 6, Shell, Texaco, Circle K. Kum & Go, and all the construction types, No Habla Espenol!
Read the entire article at

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That is good news.
Looks like a revolution, in the making, at the grass roots level.
Lets just hope it gains Large momentum.

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Any bets how long before the ACLU files suit? I will take tuesday.

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Bah! I bet they have it drawn up, and filed in the system, by Monday morning, 8am.....

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If businesses and companies /corporations were held accountable with heavy fines and the laws that ARE CURRENTLY on the books, enforced, we would have never had an illegal immigration problem in the first place.
It's your own Government that is selling you out, has been for YEARS!

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No trabajo - no dinero!

As it has been said before, if there is no work for them.....many of the illegals will end up deporting themselves. For once, we will begin to solve a problem at the 'demand' side instead of the 'supply' side.
Of course, "supply side" works for economic issues involving production and taxation......but this is much, much different and so much simpler.
If it becomes less advantageous from an economic standpoint (in other words, 'more costly') to hire illegal immigrants, fewer businesses will bother with them and word will spread quickly that their services are no longer needed in los estados unidos; thus causing many to leave voluntarily and fewer to attempt entry into our country. Seeing a prominent businessman doing the "perp walk" on the evening news will be more than enough to send a message to other corporate cheapskates who use illegal workers to avoid having to hire US citizens.
Now, there will be two other related issues that need to be fixed as well. The first one is tough - changing the concept/rule that anyone born on US soil is automatically a citizen, even children of those here illegally. The second involves the welfare-state "freebies" that are given out to so many. It won't be easy to do, but these things need to be corrected if we have any desire for the USA to exist in another fifty or sixty years. I for one do not want us to become a province of Mexico.

Flying Dutchman; telling it as it is

"The men who hold high places must be the ones who start, to mold a new reality closer to the heart." -- RUSH, Closer To The Heart

Fight poverty. Work hard and don't breed kids you can't feed!

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Are the winds of change growing?
Calif. immigration rally denounces Bush plan


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Two well made points and I agree, it will be an uphill battle, on many fronts, to bring about changes on either point.

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One very large problem is that we can't get states to meet any standards regarding the documentation for state issued ID's and Driver's Licenses. Now, one can't hardly open a bank account, apply for credit, go to college or any of a number of other vital things without establishing one's identity, yet, we can't get states to make sure their ID's are safeguarded and accurate.
Without a reasonably failsafe means of establishing identity, and residence/citizenship status, it will be next to impossible to hold employers accountable for hiring legal, documented employees. Of course, this is the reason some states and "interest groups" are fighting identity verification/failsafe ID legislation. In reality, the people hurt by this so-called "compassion for illegals" are the illegals themselves. They face exploitation, economic marginalization, employer predatory practices, and criminal predators because they can't very well go to the "authorities" for help when they are victims of these practices.
Far from shutting our borders to immigration, the desire is to know who is entering the U.S. and to authorize their entry so we may keep out criminal and terrorist elements. Ever hear of MS-13? If you haven't, you soon will. It is the most violent gang in the country and makes the old Bloods and Crips look like boy scouts.
The other necessity is to rapidly mainstream and assimilate those who are wishing to immigrate to the U.S. both for economic and cultural demands. The sooner immigrants can assimilate into the American culture, language, and customs, the sooner they can move up the economic ladder instead of being stuck at the bottom rung in poverty. Also, we must insure the people entering the U.S. to live are not here to attack us from within as is the case with Muslim immigrants to Europe and Great Britain.
Of course, if one tries to debate this point with "the other side" all one will get is an endless harangue of charges of bigotry, xenophobia, and prejudice, but not one single cogent, rationally formed, factually based argument. I wonder why?
MrClark

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I guess it's OK that we pay transportation costs to send them home. I don't think so. Pay the coyotes to get you back across then come here legal if you don't want to pay the fine.
Nothing Bush does in this matter will please every one.I cant feel sorry for breaking our laws to get here when legal avenues are open,even if they are quite slow.

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Mr. ClarK: It is BECAUSE our Gov't has failed to enforce the law that the small towns and cities are now taking the matter into their own hands. They are tired of the crime and social welfare costs associated with
these "undocumented" people.
It is not the moral, legal or ethical duty of the United States to feed, house and provide medical care for the entire populace of the world. No matter what the Statue of Liberty says on its base.
This one small step by one small town to rid itself of the financial and social burdens placed upon it by these types of people may not be the solution to the entire problem but at least someone, somewhere is trying to do something, right or wrong.
Now all we have to do is wait and see what happens next.

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Did not see anything on any suit being filed today might have missed it hope they enforce the dang thing.

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I beleive the article mentioned that It doesn't go into effect for another 30 days, giving time to those to whom it applies, plenty of time to "gettoutta" Dodge.
Vamoose! Adios, Mutha!