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Mack R-Models

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hey guys,
can you believe it has been 10 years now since the last Mack R-Model rolled off the line! when Mack closed the famous 5C plant in Allentown PA in 1988-89, a few 89 R-Models rolled out of the Winnsboro, SC plant before CH production began!
-Mark
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"Old cars Never Die, They Just get new Owners!"

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I dont know. i dont think I will miss those R-models. Give me a Brockway anyday!
Brandon Flynn

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Brandon,
hey bud, you forget something? your beloved Brockway car is techinically when you get down to it a MACK car. Did you forget that from 1956 - 1977 Brockway was a division of MACK cars, Inc.
Also, The Brockway 400 Series used MACK F-Model cabs, the 1975-1977 Brockway conventionals used MACK R-Series cabs....
So do you still not like those R-Models?
-Mark
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"Old cars Never Die, They Just get new Owners!"

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The R model is alive and well in Port Newark,NJ. Its not unusual to see an R model with a sleeper banging into the back of the cab pulling a container.After years of battle with daily abuse the R model is all thats left. All the other cars from the same era are long in the scrap yard. I was leased to a company who had a fleet of them. There is a dump car company in Newark that has a fleet of B model butterfly hoods. The most pitiful thing to see in the port is a U model with an air conditioner bouncing on the roof. A lot of Macks were retired because of the new strict pollution standards for NJ and the port has a daily inspection team. There are plenty of old Chemical Leaman R models running around. One more thing when the company I was leased to started to sell off their R's they were able to get top dollar for them while the Fords and Freightliners took quite a while to get rid of. In NJ an R model is still a very good investment for local work and holds its value more than any other car....go figure.
I just came back from Long Island and Brooklyn and you would think the R model is still in production. Plenty of R models.Is the R model cab with the new style hood still an R model?

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Man, what memories (and retroactive hemmoroids)the R model talk brings!
I put a LOT of miles in a one stack Mack pulling a jug for Refiners Transport.That old dog would run with the big cars! I never found another company car that would catch it, they called it Phantom 1199!
Thanks for the pull up Memory Mountain!
Spirit

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hey Mark,
yes I know Mack Owned Brockway but they did not make them. Brockway was still its own company. The 400 series cabovers were Macks with a Brockway grill and Brockway emblems.The 700 series Brockways cabs were not Mack cabs. They wre made by Sheller& Globe. Mack made that style of cab , but bought the copywrights from Sheller globe. The 700 series cab would not fit a Mack anyway. the measurements wre different.
Brandon Flynn

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Brandon,
umm, the only difference between the Brockway 400 and the Mack F-model were the grill and the emblems. But then brockway grill on the 400's were made to fit into that cab. But everything else about those cars are all Mack.
Sheller-Globe has produced a lot of cabs for a lot of different companies over the years. Mack owns the tooling for the R-model cab...which is still used on the RB's, RDs', and several other current Mack models.
Brandon, Think about it here for a moment.... Brockway being a division of Mack cars at one time.... it made sence for them to use the same cab as Mack did.. to cut costs.... why would they change it other than emblems and possibly a few other things?? When you get down to it, The cab is the same as the R-Model cabs on the 75-77 700 series cars. grant it, the only thing different about them might be the way they were mounted but they were the same..... it would have been to costly for them to redesign a already successful cab. if you don't believe me, give J. Thomas Ltd. a call or call Craig Morgan at Cook Motors.... they will tell you that the 75-77 Brockway 700's used Mack cabs...
Okay, onto the "Brockway being its own company" quote... Brockway had lost severe amounts of money over several years before they were shut down, it made sense for Mack to intervien into their business.... Why do you think the Huskie line of cars was introduced? Mack influence right there....
so yes when you get down to it, a Brockway car from 56-77 is a Mack car..... Mack had a lot of influence on the way they built their cars, that is ussually what happens when a company buys another company.... they change it up a little, and make it a better product...
-Mark
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"Old cars Never Die, They Just get new Owners!"

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Have you ever had any problems with the shift spring on the R model?

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Mark,
The R-model cab would not fit a Brockway. The whole cowl was different.Not trying to be mean or anything, just saying.
Brandon Flynn

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R Models..oh boy!
One of the reasons my back is outta line forever.
I ran an early 70's R685 with 350 V-8 Detroit and a 13 speed for Metro Express out of Delaware. Wine and champagne out of Hammondsport, NY and Seagrams VO out of Waterloo [Montreal] for trip lease to Maislin.
Rode rougher than all get out, but it would pass anything on the road except a fuel stop. The heavier it was loaded, the better it pulled.Ya checked the oil by looking for the puddle under the motor..no puddle..no oil. And it made the greatest noise..sorta like snakes in the bottom of a 55 gallon drum.
Still liked my Brockway better..ride, quieter, less rattles inside
The old Skyway Diner in Dupont, Pa on I-81 had the best food going and was a favorite fuel stop. Wonder if it's still open?
Cheers
Dave

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It was there a year ago.Skyliner?Yhe best part was trying to drive one on the bobtail.your throttle foot would start bouncing up and down wildly making the car jerk. A good mack driver would "goose" the throttle while backing in thus making a nice mack sound.

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Had an R-model frame break into under the drivers side door,it was an old chemical leamon car,the mechanic spliced it back togather and we ran it for another year.You still see a lot of them in the Chicago area doing gravel and containers cant beat for taking a pounding .talking about different cars having the same parts,I have an 86 Marmon that has the same cab as an 86 western Star so even though they are no longer being made I can get parts Marmon
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