HazMat & Tanker questions
First, before I get going on this, lemme tell ya that I do NOT have HazMat or Tanker Endorsements on my CDL.
I have no desire to haul something that could make me go "BOOM", glow or vaporize. That's why I don't have them. That's why I don't know squat about the rules & regs for HazMat or Tanker.
To my question...........
In the last couple weeks, I've noticed quite a few military fuel tankers (tractor-trailer type), headed eastbound (as cargo) strapped down onto step decks and lowboys.
Are HazMat and Tanker endorsements needed to transport empty fuel tankers in this fashion?
Unless their exempt because their military which I doubt, the answer is yes.
Providing if there are fuel vapors in those tanks. (empty or full) You'd need a Haz mat but not a tanker endorsement to piggy back them.
If the tanks are completely cleaned of any residue, the answer is no. Then you must carry a cleaning certificate with you, showing they were cleaned properly.
Your not suppose to haul (piggy back) empty gas tankers with vapors inside without a placard and Haz Mat. That's a big no no.
Empty gas tankers with vapors inside are dangerous, they go BOOM TOO!! A tanker filled with liquid gas keeps the vapors down.
Those tanks may have been cleaned out or are new tanks. That's if they were in fact used for gas or fuel.
Gas tankers are very versatile, you can haul many types of liquids in them as long as they are cleaned after or before hauling gas/fuel products..
For instance, they may have been used to haul something like anti-freeze, non potable water, there are lots of options with a gas tanker.
Filling a tanker with 5500 gals is a lot easier than handling 55 gal drums. No empty drums to deal with, a lot less storage space, less man hours and the tanker makes a good storage tank that's moble. That comes in handy in a place like Iraq.
Thanks for the clarification.
The tankers I've seen are definately not new.
Military vehicles are exempt from federal regs.
Since the tankers are considered to be the load, no, you not need "tank" endorsement.
Whether or not the tank needs placarding if hauling hazmat, that I do not know for sure.
But if it was a civilian tanker hauling hazmat, yes it would be placarded.
Hoss...Dak1 is absolutely correct. (good job Dak1).
Unfortunetly Hoss, you dont have to pull one to go Boom.
You could hit one, or get hit by one, too many scenerios come to mind.
I'm always amazed that people(that includes carers) dont give enough respect , when it comes to sharing the road with tankers.
I had a four holer one time with flammable placards on each compartment.
That is 16 placards in all.
People are tailgaiting me, cutting in front of me like I was,nt even there.
Why do you need a tanker endorsement if the tanker is not on the ground?
The tanker is the load, not the vehicle.
What if you have a 5,00 gallon tank strapped to a flatbed? The tank is plated, the flatbed is.
Just because it has wheels, doesn't mean the driver has to have the endorsement. It's the plated vehicle on the ground that counts.
Hoss, you do not need to be hauling Haz Mat to get some real bad stuff.
When I hauled chemical tanker. We did haul some bad things, but NOTHING like what we haul in dry van.
A load of lighters. Not fluid but lighters from the ports. They are Consumer ORDM No plac card needed. Think what those could do on a nice hot sunny day. BOOM!
I have hauled batteries, wet and dry. Most have to be plac carded, but I have hauled some that didn't have to be. I questioned this a few times to different individuals. The DOT, The batt manufactuer and a few others.
I was told by all of them and read it for my self. As long as the battery(S) are sealed, wrapped, and have both posts covered. As long as they are listed as Consumer ORD. Like batts going to Wal Mart. They they do not have to be Plac carded. Seems like a little gray area to me.
There are other things. Like car saft bags we haul. Some times they get a danger plac card, other times we can not haul them because they are considered EXPLOSIVE B or 3. Most of the time they get no plac card at all.
More BOOM, BOOM.
I think you would have a better chance of getting run over in the car stop.
No BOOM. Just splattttt
I think there are some portable tank configurations that do need HAZ-MAT + tanker endorsement to haul.
I'm not up on that, I've seen a few of these over the years. I have an XT CDL, (all endorsements except bus) I pull tankers, no HAZ-MAT.
My Haz-mat knowledge is rather weak since I don't haul any.
Give up smoking 3 + packs of cigs a day to haul Haz-Mat, I don't think so!!! The only thing that will make me quit smoking is a coffin!! Even then, I want cases of cigs buried with me to take with me to the after life. Of course, I'll need several thousand gals of StarBucks coffee too!!!
If the tank is loaded you will need a Tanker Endorsment.
Kinda like the sea container tanks that come off the ships and go on the trians or car chassie and flat beds. They are tanks.
A tank/trailer does not have to loaded to require a tank endorsement
I spent four years in the Air Force certifying Haz-mat for air shipment.The gov't is unlike any other,they go by their own rules on their own terms but as far as i remember they should be placarded if they have residue,the vapors are more dangerous than a full load.
If you're hauling a tank on top of a flatbed, you dont need tanker endorsment...
However if the tank that you're hauling on the flatbed has, hazardous residue,
in it, and is placarded, then you need haz mat endorsment..
I think Dak 1 already said that.
I pull hazmat tankers, and I do smoke. No biggie, just gotta know when and where
Was doing a search on tank endorsement and this thread came up GREAT!
I am still a bit confused. What was the final word on the tank endorsement?
One of our cars was issued a ticket in TX. He was hauling an empty water car on a stepdeck. My husband went to the Judge, thinking they didn't need the endorsement, the Judge said any tank they hauled, the driver had to have it. Is this country Judge full of it?
Now this is strange to me, I have brokered out probably 100 tank loads, mostly purged C-02 tanks, and have never had anyone ask if they needed tank endorsement. They have, however, asked if it was hazmat, and I said no. Never heard of any of them being ticketed.
I am just wanting to know positively, so as to be sure to let the carriers know it's required. I would hate to see them get stuck for well over a $200.00 fine.
To Hoss's original question. A "H" or "X" endorsement would be required if the military tankers contained residue of gasoline or diesel.
Yes the military/government is exempt from the HMR IF the government or military transports the materials their self. If the govenment uses a contractor to transport the HM then the HMR apply in full to include HM training for the HM employee preparing the load.
The definitions for when a "N" (tanker endorsement) is required comes from the HMR.
Now that we have a start we go to the
With that said. If a F-350 pick-up is carrying a 120 gallon cargo tank mounted in the bed containing a material listed in Table 1 or 2 of Part 172.500 the driver must have a Class C CDL with a "X" Tanker/Hazmat Endorsement, or an "N" Tanker with a "H" Hazmat endorsement.
If a Dry van is carrying a 260 gallon tote or IBC containing a material listed in Table 1 or 2 of Part 172.500 in the back of the van from point "A" to "B" the
If a 5,000 tanker containing a material listed in Table 1 or 2 of Part 172.500 is strapped to a flatbed from Point "A" to "B" the driver requires a "H" hazmat endorsement.
Note the different definitions of a Portable Tank and a Cargo Tank.
Even though the 5,000 cargo tank trailer is strapped to the flat bed it does not meet the definition of a portable tank.
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