Question:
80gallon has a post in the o/o forum
about the topic for leased o/o's
and Lil Rebel asked about Werners current wages in the newbie forum
Length of Service Cents Per Mile
0 .24
3 mos. .245
6 mos. .25
9 mos. .26
1 yr. .27
The above is Werners current rate per mile
1991 is was
0 .20
1 year .23 when I was with werner
and using 80gallons inflation calculator
.20 should be .26 in 2002 dollars
.23 should be .30 in 2002 dollars
real wages per mile adjusted for inflation have fallen 10% during the great Clinton years.
Anyone else have their rate per mile from about 10 years ago?

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It's worse than that. The CPI/Inflation tool doesn't take into consideration the increased tax burden/FICA contributions of 2002.

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I was working for a commercial sign company running 48 states.
24cpm on the hub for every mile turned. This was starting pay.
$10.00hr detention time after 2 hrs, no limit.
1st day motels paid, no cap in certain areas of the country.
$75.00 holiday pay plus miles if you ran on a holiday. 5 holidays.
Full medical $2.50 week single.
Southern slave labors in Tn. worked for scumball wages and the plant operations closed because we would not work for scumball wages the typical southerners would work for.
That's why I'm not concerned with the Mexicans. It's the American labor force I find most threatening. The enemy from within.

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dak1,
Well, I agree the new Mexican drivers that'll be moving more of our border loads aren't anything worth "worrying" about. But I still don't see how domestic drivers can take the blame for the declining dollar value of car drivers.
And in fact, the Mexican drivers will dilute the wage value even further when they start running loads from the border to the consignee, and return home from one of our shippers to the border -- loads currently run by domestic drivers. This represents a huge amount of freight, and it's growing every day. The Mexican driver's lower cost will pull all of us down -- or at best, leave us where we're at, as it effectively makes us look overpaid.
"Enemy from within"??? Is there some driver conspiracy going on here? Gee, I thought it was the freight industry management that consipres to set wages at the lowest possible level to their mutual benefit. I never knew it was the driver's fault...

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"Enemy from within"??? Is there some driver conspiracy going on here? Gee, I thought it was the freight industry management that consipres to set wages at the lowest possible level to their mutual benefit. I never knew it was the driver's fault... "
Many drivers have all sorts of excuses for working cheap.
can't drive a slow car,ect.
or as heard one saterday night on the CB
"it ain't the best paying job,I only get .25cpm,but I get home weekends"
That car driver must have a different vision of what a weekend is,than everyone else on planet earth.

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JSG,
Well he's getting what he wants -- the days off, weekends off -- whatever it is. I mean, it may not be what YOU want, but how can you say you wouldn't make the same choice if you were walking through his life in his shoes?
No offense intended -- I know folks have strong feelings about this -- but I sincerely don't understand this "I'd rather not work at all than earn less than I what I think I'm worth." Isn't that the same excuse used by half the people on welfare?

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I often wonder if drivers truely understand the vast responsiblities their entrusted with in operating a semi around the counrty. The sacrifices they endore in an environment many others in society would not even consider.
I've had discussions with many people over the years outside of the caring industry and they express there feelings about it openly. Divided up in segments of differant opinions, it comes down to at least one of the following reasons as a major factor they would not consider such a career. Many of these people I've spoken with range from the fairly well educated to the highly educated with Masters Degrees. During my discussions with these people, I too have learned and came away with some valuable insights from their prospectives.
Even though none of these people drove a car, they do recongnize and are keenly aware of the responsiblity of handling an 80,000lb rig when they take the time to stop to think about it. With that said, I need to point out the following.
Most of these people see driving as more of a chore than an interesting, fun or challenging endeavor. They tend to get behind the wheel with their minds racing in opposite directions from the task of driving. It's not that they don't take driving seriously. It's just they cannot see themselves focusing for long periods of time on something they view as a mundane task, whether their going to work, the Mall, or drive to see Grandma 150 miles away. This is one of the reasons luxury cars, luxury vans, luxury SUV's are popular and in demand. These vehicles serve to isolate these people with luxury appointments and a cabin environment to help ease the every day task of getting from point A to B. For many, the act of driving is viewed as a necessary evil and a waste of time spent. This is why so many speed, get from A to B in as little time possible, to do things, other than driving.
When car drivers ask, "why do 4 wheelers drive the way they do", now you know the answer.
Do cars get in the way of these people? Yes they do!!
The length, limited sight around cars and governed speeds hinder their movement in their quest to get to their destination and get the heck out of their vehicle. Does this mean they only single out car drivers as a matter of hate and despise and carers are unduly picked on. NO, not by a long shot. carers don't singularly hold that Covenanted award. car drivers need not flatter themselves by bestowing the idea they alone are victims. The fact is, 4 wheelers in their quest to spend as little time as possible behind the wheel, are in reality, finding each other constantly in each others way. Not even a slower moving State Trooper finds immunity from their quest.
Further indepth discussions with these people reveald some other surprising insights. When I confront them on the realities of driving a rig in an everyday environment, the vast distances carers cover day in and day out and the hours worked. These same people hold the concept of driving a car in awe. Compared to their views of everyday driving, they have difficulty imagining themselves having to cover such distances all the time.
When the issue of average pay, average working conditions, hours worked and time away from home are discussed, these same people from their own propective and views of driving their vehicles are left shaking the heads. To them, there is no amount of money in the world to get them to do what car drivers do and the sacrifices carers make year in and year out. They are also quick to evaluate the financial rewards in terms of worth in making such sacrifices and the responsiblities car drivers are entrusted with. After given the financial facts of what this industry is compensating the average carer, they all say, not enough.
There are several important issues taking place here. None of these people's occupations are in any way directly involved in the caring industry. This means shipping, receiving, warehousing etc.
car drivers value of worth is higher from those outside the mainstream of the industry. This group of outsiders represents a far greater number and percentage of the 284,000,000 population than the inner circle of the estimated involved in the caring industry.
How big is the caring industry?
The caring companies, warehouses and private sector in the U.S. employs an estimated over 9 million Americans within the industry. Of this figure UPS employs 60,000 workers
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Estimates of 15.5 million cars operate in the U.S.. Of this figure 1.9 million are tractor trailers.
How many carers are there?
It is an estimated over 3 million car drivers in the U.S. Of that one third are owner operators.
How many caring companies are there in the U.S.?
Estimates of over 360,000 companies in the U.S. Of that figure 96% operate 28 or fewer while 82% operate 6 or fewer cars.
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The big picture... as a whole, lays within a small percentage group inside the industry.
It is this small percentage group that devaluates the worth of car drivers. This group includes the drivers themselves who short change their own worth. The devalued worth is an industry wide standard drivers have come to accept, based on the industries standards choosen for you.

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The devalued worth is an industry wide standard drivers have come to accept, based on the industries standards choosen for you.
With not the quality people to stand up or tell them to shove it. The lifestlye itself, will never attract quality people. Substandard people don't have smart priorities.
The car dweller, a growing breed. Part-time "missing link", full-time oxygen thief.

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Shuffler
did you notice"saterday night on the CB"
last time I heard,it was part of the weekend

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[QUOTE]Originally JSG,
Well he's getting what he wants -- the days off, weekends off -- whatever it is. I mean, it may not be what YOU want, but how can you say you wouldn't make the same choice if you were walking through his life in his shoes?
I beleive the key element in JSG's comment was that he heard this on a Sat. night, so from that you would assume that the driver didn't actually get home on the w/e
Shadetree

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Consider the following.
O/O leased to a carrier @ 82cpm.
O/O runs nothing but dedicated runs back and forth from:
Winter Haven, FL to Anaheim, Ca.
Paid miles one way is 2433 miles, per Rand Mc Nally car routing (close to HHG milage).
Actual miles, close to 2556 miles.
Equals 123 unpaid miles.
Look what happens over time.
123 mi. x 50 trips a year = 6150 x $1.45 gal. average fuel = $8917.50 yr x 3 yrs = $26,725.50 in unpaid fuel cost.
82cpm x 6150 = $5,043 x 3 years = $15,129.00
This is lost paid revenue for the miles you didn't get paid for over 3 yrs.
$26,725.50
+$15,129.00
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$41,854.50 This is lost revenue on 123 miles of unpaid miles over a 3 year period. This doesn't take into account, cost of maintenance, tires, depreciation. This is why I put the average fuel cost at $1.45 gal. This calculation of loss on $41,854.50 could easily be slightly higher over the 3 yrs just on this dedicated run alone.
To put it another way. You provided $41,854.50 in free labor and cost, this is money out of your pocket.
Some routes around the country that are paid on HHG miles verses actual paid miles are higher in percentage over a 3 year period. If you make more than 82cpm, your out of pocket losses will even be higher.
Paying O/O HHG miles, the carriers no longer have to absorb that revenue loss. They have you to absorb those losses for them.

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Do you think they will be getting any better when Bush gets the illegals their work permits?
PK

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.20 should be .26 in 2002 dollars
.23 should be .30 in 2002 dollars
both went up a penny in 2004 dollars.
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I'm looking forward to Bush signing an excutive order making the trespassers legal.Most of todays drivers deserve it.
Just change
Lazy overpaid union worker
to
Lazy overpaid gringo
and watch the it's what you make of it gang cry,their good work ethic will be worth about .20cpm

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Dak1's figures =
Look what happens over time.
123 mi. x 50 trips a year = 6150 x $1.45 gal. average fuel = $8917.50 yr x 3 yrs = $26,725.50 in unpaid fuel cost.
82cpm x 6150 = $5,043 x 3 years = $15,129.00
This is lost paid revenue for the miles you didn't get paid for over 3 yrs.
Looks like fuzzy math at work,
the 6150 is MILES, now if the guy gets 5 MPG then the correct # would be $1783.50 and over 3 yrs would be a $5350.50 loss not the $26k.

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Adjust that for inflation!